joe royal
7:17 Tue Apr 14
Re: Right to buy.
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whufcroe 4:14 Tue Apr 14
Re: Right to buy.
Shirley you need one bed and a dungeon
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icwhs
4:37 Tue Apr 14
Re: Right to buy.
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The plan is do-able and a pretty good one..
that's just why it won't work
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whufcroe
4:36 Tue Apr 14
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"Anything has to better than living with your parents once you have turned 21"
Can't really agree to be honest but there you go
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whufcroe
4:35 Tue Apr 14
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icwhs 4:33 Tue Apr 14
Well that's the problem isn't it but the plan is a good one because unlike most are suggesting on here, it would lead to more houses for councils to rent, building more houses means more jobs, more jobs more money going into the economy etc etc
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icwhs
4:33 Tue Apr 14
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whufcroe 4:30 Tue Apr 14
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Thats fucked that then, no government in ANY time has ever stuck to ANY plan ;)
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Mr Kenzo
4:31 Tue Apr 14
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Anything has to better than living with your parents once you have turned 21
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whufcroe
4:30 Tue Apr 14
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icwhs 4:25 Tue Apr 14
and I'm not against that at all for people that want to and most would I'm sure but lets not make people that have been in a house for many, many years move if they don't wish to.
The right to buy plan is sound IF they carry out the plan as they have said.
Where I live the council has loads of really good, expensive sort after houses they rent and the idea of selling these off to replace them with more, cheaper houses and flats I think is a fucking great idea.
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stomper
4:26 Tue Apr 14
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Right to buy was a foul scheme robbing the poor of affordable housing.
It caused the first real argument between my parents and I. Redbridge council raised the rent of their house beyond the cost of the mortgage essentially forcing them to by and denying affordable rented housing to succeeding generations
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icwhs
4:25 Tue Apr 14
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I'm not saying evict people?
Cash and a nice flat usually does the trick, certain rules must be implemented like , say new flat has to be in a 5 mile radius, same standard or better?
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icwhs
4:22 Tue Apr 14
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whufcroe 4:14 Tue Apr 14
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It's not really a life thing, but parents got a one bedroom council flat in 1963, when they had i kid, they got a 3 bedroom house 9 years later when they had 5 kids, just talked to my old man, he 81, it wasn't a contract for life?
he was happy for the house when he needed it, other people need it now
"even Poles 😀"
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whufcroe
4:14 Tue Apr 14
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"there's arguments both sides"
There are of course
and it's a problem that is solving itself as people pass because the rules are different now.
I'm coming to point where I have a chance of getting a council flat but of course now I can't "bid" on anything bigger than my own needs so the max bedroom is one and then the tenant agreement is reviewed on a regular basis.
That's correct of course and I would be agreeing to those terms BUT when people have paid in all their lives, paid their rent all their lives then they must be allowed to have THEIR home on the terms they agreed to.
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icwhs
4:14 Tue Apr 14
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Point is, people only argue when family or friends are involved in the issue
The "for" arguers are usually involved in someway, my parents bought a council house back in the 80's there's a little group of 12 houses, 6 each side, just 2! privately owned, we were 7 in that house...
There are a total of 18 people living in 12 3 bedroomed properties, 10 of which are council owned
that's 2 bedrooms each fucking person, in an expensive part of London, its absolutely absurd
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penners28
4:05 Tue Apr 14
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saw some campaign on fb recently about a couple who had privately rented a house for 30 yrs, always paid on time etc. now the owners want them out as they are selling up, however there is OUTRAGE from their family saying how unfair it is etc.
I dont see the issue myself. if you wanted the security in later life then buy a house.
It sounds harsh, but why should people who dont need the space be allowed to have it whilst you have some 2 children families cramped into a 1 bed flat? I know the irony of this as "why have kids then" etc etc, but you like to think we live in a society where those with additonal un-needed space recognise this and downsize accordingly.
there's arguments both sides
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icwhs
4:03 Tue Apr 14
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whufcroe 3:42 Tue Apr 14
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i see the point of the argument, and I suppose he did sign for life, he could be offered an incentive to move, , there wasn't 70 million people here 40 odd years ago.
haha and a "Polish " family, bit racist but sounds funny
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Iron Duke
3:59 Tue Apr 14
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Without knowing the full details, I would say that someone who has been allowed to stay in a house for 40 years paying nominal rent has had his fair share from the state, and should step aside and allow someone else the same benefits he had.
Call me old fashioned, but I believe that if you want a house for life then you should buy rather than rent.
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whufcroe
3:42 Tue Apr 14
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Iron Duke 3:37 Tue Apr 14
Because these people have rights whether you like it or not.
My old man has never claimed a single penny and now in retirement has an spare bedroom in a house he's lived in 40 odd years.
He had a agreement that house was his for LIFE, simple as that
and you think he should be turfed out for say a Polish family?
You just have to let this problem correct itself, it's the only fair and right way.
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Iron Duke
3:37 Tue Apr 14
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Whether they are the rules are not is not the point. The debate here is about the absurdity of the rules.
What about a family of 4 who are still in a 2 bedroom house? Is it not cruel for them to have to stay cramped, while a couple whose children have left home stay in a 3 bedroom house? Why shouldn't the family of 4 be afforded the same help that they once were?
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whufcroe
3:31 Tue Apr 14
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Iron Duke 3:27 Tue Apr 14
When they signed up for a council house, those were the rules, you had the house for life.
To move older people out from the place their kids grew up, a loved one died is just simply cruel.
"It's a piss take to all hard working people struggling to get by on their own 2 feet."
I think you'll find lots of hard working people live in council houses
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Iron Duke
3:27 Tue Apr 14
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>But it would be unfair on people to be moved now that have lived most of their whole lives in the same place.
What a load of bollocks. It is not their house. If they don't need it they should be moved out and someone who needs it moved in.
It's a piss take to all hard working people struggling to get by on their own 2 feet.
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Eerie Descent
3:09 Tue Apr 14
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Thank the Tories for this.
One of the biggest fuck ups this country has ever made.
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whufcroe
3:04 Tue Apr 14
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But it would be unfair on people to be moved now that have lived most of their whole lives in the same place.
The rules have changed now to stop it happening and of course if they are not paying their rent they are getting the old bedroom tax now.
We all pay for plenty of stuff we don't use or need Worm, those are the simple facts of life.
Council housing should be available to all
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